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“Just Google. Just to be like ML tool sets or ML things.…” — Software Engineering Daily at 46:22

“Just Google. Just to be like ML tool sets or ML things. And you get those maps like we used to have. Remember the maps you look at DevOps and it's like, here's all the quadrants of crazy crap. And there's logos you can't read because they're like the size of a dot, right? You know, these kinds of things. And then on…”

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