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“And they don't necessarily want to expand that toolkit.…” — Software Engineering Daily at 5:11

“And they don't necessarily want to expand that toolkit. You know, they want to go and they apply that toolkit and they can do it very effectively, but that's, you know, kind of what works for them. I think I'm more also aligned with you where I've always been driven by sort of the educating and pushing myself to…”

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