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“And one is much more likely than the other. So there's the…” — Crime Junkie at 41:11

“And one is much more likely than the other. So there's the murder angle. And then there's a tragic accident angle. Hold up. How did we get to accident? I don't know. But police are saying there is a possibility that Malvina actually fell. No, the coroner already rolled that out. He did.”

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