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“And it usually is that quick of a conversation, like, you…” — The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source at 42:55

“And it usually is that quick of a conversation, like, you know, 15, 20 seconds max with customers every once in a while. I think I've gotten two of those in the last six months, you know, and it was just a, hey, why haven't you graduated? So it's not that per se. It was as the CNCF evolves, are all projects good fits…”

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