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“this is when you realized you were not going to graduate…” — The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source at 47:22

“this is when you realized you were not going to graduate or you'd already kind of known it for a while. Like you had decided, well, we're not going to be a good fit anymore, right? Yeah, that was the graduation I think was in 2020 as well as the trademark fight. So this was more of a, hey, we just think we're not a…”

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