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“They then started getting to the point where we were…” — The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source at 49:05

“They then started getting to the point where we were starting to figure out when the stakes would move or not move. Again, you know, just, and it's totally fine, you know, negotiating types of stuff. And they put a hard stake in the ground. Nothing will ever leave the CNCF. We'll kill it instead. Nats cannot leave…”

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