“do get on the phone and talk to each other at crucial…” — Sidebar at 8:55
“do get on the phone and talk to each other at crucial moments. And the way kind of one person described it to me who has been close to both of them is that, you know, Biden does not have a lot of people around him who are kind of, you know, principal levels, who are kind of big stars in their own rights. He's really…”
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