“down and it makes sense that they would rise up. But I…” — Sidebar at 15:21
“down and it makes sense that they would rise up. But I think that you also see that they are pleased that Biden has recognized them in a way that they weren't quite ready for the roles, evidently, when Obama was there. Is there any reluctance from the Biden administration to sort of call on Obama to, you know, draw…”
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