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“He didn't, so I don't know what the outcome would have…” — Dwarkesh Podcast at 26:41

“He didn't, so I don't know what the outcome would have been. But Jennifer Doudna's work was, if I recall correctly, funded by DARPA because her CRISPR NIH applications were rejected. And, of course, Carolyn Carrico's NIH applications for mRNA vaccine work were famously rejected. So it at least seems very plausible…”

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