“the ideological spectrum is not the only place to have…” — Pod Save America at 1:09:58
“the ideological spectrum is not the only place to have debates about these policies. I think sort of that's what happened in 2020. It was, well, we lost in 2016 and Democrats were too incremental in their policies. And so now we need to be big and bold and ambitious, which ended up being like spend more money, larger…”
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