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“Definitely. Although I would be less hesitant to say that…” — Software Engineering Daily at 27:40

“Definitely. Although I would be less hesitant to say that we all agree on what that actually is and what that looks like. But my view is Docker, Cryo, or just Kubernetes in general, ContainerD, Podman, they were all made because they have a strength. And so that strength does tend to dictate where they, I'll say…”

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