“you know, you kind of in this bleak moment, it's a cycle.…” — Pod Save America at 25:05
“you know, you kind of in this bleak moment, it's a cycle. All right, what were the motivations? Were they good? Were they, were the ones we, were they on our side or their side? Right. And it's like, we don't step back and look at the kind of underlying conditions that would lead somebody regardless of their…”
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