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“what, what actually it's doing, what's not going to work.…” — The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source at 43:56

“what, what actually it's doing, what's not going to work. Like you have to get real to just go back and borrow some 37 signals getting real, which was a good book title. The territory is the reality, right? The map is the abstraction. And so it's a helpful tool, but until you're actually in the real world out there…”

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