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“You know, if I'm sitting at the DNC, I'm not sure. The…” — Pod Save America at 38:14

“You know, if I'm sitting at the DNC, I'm not sure. The question you have to ask is, do I want to play into that or do I want to push against the tide? Are things going to go further down this way or are we actually going to, you know, go, go, the pendulum going to swing back? I don't know the answer to that, but I…”

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