“You can have a process in place and be doing the right…” — Pod Save America at 6:23
“You can have a process in place and be doing the right things and the outcome can still be god awful. And that's kind of what people are going to see on the nightly news. And really the chaos piece of the Trump era was the tweets and just being a shithead all the time publicly. And he's kind of disappeared off the…”
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