“I avoided it. I mean, I didn't even avoid it. I didn't…” — Pod Save America at 1:27:20
“I avoided it. I mean, I didn't even avoid it. I didn't even think of it. And then when the opportunity came along and then I ran and they said, you'll love it because you love the issues. That's why you're involved in politics. They were right. I loved it. And then when I was there, then they said, now you have to…”
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