“And if they don't work, there's no amount of marketing or…” — SmartLess at 48:39
“And if they don't work, there's no amount of marketing or interviews that you can do on podcasts in order to change the zeitgeist. The pressure remains absolute. The pressure is the speed of light in order to make a great story. The audience, I think, if I can pontificate just a little bit here, doesn't care where…”
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