“Wow. I believe in shame. Wow. Can't you have both? No…” — The Toast at 51:50
“Wow. I believe in shame. Wow. Can't you have both? No, clearly not. Look around, Jackie. Freedom to be ashamed? No, we need to bring back shame. And I apologize. I forget who said that. And I thought it was such a poignant way of saying it because you used to be fearful of what other people thought of you. And so you…”
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