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“And that probably does give them a little bit of a better…” — Decoder with Nilay Patel at 41:49

“And that probably does give them a little bit of a better sense of security in the age of Luigi Mangione. But also, you know, it's the negative outcomes there are pretty bad, too. I will say that the CEOs who show up on Decoder, increasing amounts of security when they show up in person. That is very much a trend…”

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