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“That's the last bit of the book. It's the after section.…” — Decoder with Nilay Patel at 48:36

“That's the last bit of the book. It's the after section. You talk about ways forward. The vignettes in your book, the main characters all fought against P.E. in some way. How do you see that playing out? So I felt strongly that I didn't want to end the book on like, well, this system sucks. I'm out, you know, and the…”

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