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“The most natural way to do that felt like it was to look…” — Decoder with Nilay Patel at 49:02

“The most natural way to do that felt like it was to look at people who were doing something after the fact. Where I ultimately came to is if we are serious about changing this system, it's going to have to be so multifaceted an approach. So the four characters in my book are, you know, quote unquote, fighting back in…”

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