“Right. Both. I mean, I will stipulate. I've been in…” — Pod Save America at 52:43
“Right. Both. I mean, I will stipulate. I've been in politics a long time. The DNC has been a shit show almost the entire time of my career. And particularly when we're in opposition. It exists to be a punching bag and a shit show. Like when you have the White House, the DNC is a political arm of the White House. And…”
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