“Public publicly. I mean, that's the thing. And it's the…” — Pod Save America at 55:56
“Public publicly. I mean, that's the thing. And it's the public aspect that's the tough part, right? Because I think that Ken Martin would say and did say to me when I interviewed him, it's like, you know, he's been investing and organizing and doing all this stuff. You know, that's why they took credit for the Iowa…”
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