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“Like, just, that's not where we are. Right. So the idea…” — The Vergecast at 29:50

“Like, just, that's not where we are. Right. So the idea that you're going to have some good faith debate outside of a high profile true crime story, it seems lost, right? So now these companies are going to do whatever they want. And it seems like what they're going to do is chase the check. And the United States…”

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