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“things might've been different in better ways. And so part…” — The Vergecast at 49:35

“things might've been different in better ways. And so part of me looks at this and is like, okay, maybe, maybe what we need to do is take these people at their word that they see what they've built more clearly than we do because they see the dashboards, they see what's happening, they see how people are using these…”

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