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“And of course, I wanted to understand how with sim…” — Decoder with Nilay Patel at 2:13

Decoder with Nilay Patel Rivian's software chief thinks you don't need CarPlay or buttons

“And of course, I wanted to understand how with sim navigated the tension between the two. You know, classic to coder v. It's also a big moment for Rivian in general right now.”

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