“I don't know. Him and his wife seemed like they were…” — Perhaps It's You at 27:30
“I don't know. Him and his wife seemed like they were taking care of them and the kids were happy there and they wanted to become their guardians. But for some reason, Catholic Charity stepped in and ruled that Jean was an unfit mother. And then they pressured her to send Tom and Dick to an orphanage in the Pelham Bay…”