“It's a very well-trained pigeon. Yeah. And there was also…” — Perhaps It's You at 1:07:09
“It's a very well-trained pigeon. Yeah. And there was also a history of, like, domestic violence with Paul. And even though there was that, even though, you know, he had been violent against, yeah, Karen, against, you know, his ex-wife, like, he still received the kids and everything and the divorce settlement. So…”