“It's a great system. I see no need for change. So John's…” — Perhaps It's You at 1:03:50
“It's a great system. I see no need for change. So John's mother, Emma, was pretty adamant that the police were not going to talk to him. I think she's a pretty smart lady because she flat out refused to allow him to go with the police. Eventually, he was like, well, I want to help. And she relented, but wanted to go…”