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“We're pushing against the bill behind the scenes. And to…” — CoinDesk Podcast Network at 19:56

“We're pushing against the bill behind the scenes. And to your point about this, you know, we should not be having this be politics. This really should be about good policy. I think that really that needs to be set aside, especially when you see things like hacks and you said, oh, we don't know what the recourse is.…”

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