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“And so they're not going to do anything. We can continue…” — The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source at 52:24

“And so they're not going to do anything. We can continue to tell them they should try to convince them, but having some other alternative, which I was hoping JSR would become would be at least somewhere you could put your efforts into and say, let's all do this instead and it would be grassroots and it would”

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