“But he's not calling him Kramer. Just, yeah, Kessler is…” — Acquired at 58:04
“But he's not calling him Kramer. Just, yeah, Kessler is that right? I don't want to make it too on the nose. And also if we call him Kramer, then we're going to have to pay this guy or do some kind of right situation.”
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