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“It's done well for the careers of every person involved. I…” — Cato Audio at 30:40

“It's done well for the careers of every person involved. I think that we need more carrots, more sticks, and a more realistic objective. That objective should be that North Korea ends up with a highly monitored, limited number of nuclear weapons. I'd love to have Civit, complete, irreversible, verifiable, total…”

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