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“in order to make this transformation. And it seems to…” — Decoder with Nilay Patel at 23:13

“in order to make this transformation. And it seems to work. I had a huge respect. I mean, I'm a lifetime at Siemens. And I saw in my 30 years of Siemens so many changes in programs. And before pulling the trigger of making this big change, which is the deepest one for the last at least 20 years, you think about…”

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