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“And you'll hear him describe that outcome as fairly…” — Decoder with Nilay Patel at 3:04

“And you'll hear him describe that outcome as fairly utopian. Smooth, seamless, optimal operation. Very German. But I wanted to press him on how dystopian that sounds to a lot of us. Because in Roland's vision of pure automation, it seems like there's a lot of people who just don't have jobs anymore. And the ones who…”

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