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“come alive by at least by 2030. So there's a lot of…” — The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source at 43:53

“come alive by at least by 2030. So there's a lot of promise, right? There's quite a lot of using waves as energy form as well because the ocean waves are very, very good in terms of capturing energy. All kinds of cool things we were working on, right? So I'm hopeful that we may be able to find a solution, but I'm not…”

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