“But I think it would be wrong to say that things have not…” — Pod Save America at 1:10:28
“But I think it would be wrong to say that things have not changed. I think that there are more people who are cognizant of racism, not just as an interpersonal phenomenon, but as a systemic one, as a historical one, as one that is shaped by policy and not simply people and like somebody being mean to another person.…”
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