“And it's, I mean, even in the best circumstances, that's…” — Pod Save America at 23:46
“And it's, I mean, even in the best circumstances, that's so much harder when you are president because you have to do it on a national level. And also you're stuck in the White House and it's harder to be like nimble with campaign events. Well, yeah. And with Biden, I mean, he's so good in a room, right? Like he is…”
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