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“super expensive compared to hiring a designer. I think I…” — Acquired at 40:21

“super expensive compared to hiring a designer. I think I spent $45,000 on turning these wireframes into high fidelity mockups. I do, speaking of frameworks, I do have a framework on this, which explains why I think it was the rational thing to do in my case, if you want to hear. So I think the fundamental job of a…”

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