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“other things that he could smart. It was very smart. It…” — Dateline NBC at 16:44

“other things that he could smart. It was very smart. It was so smart. And in none of it paned out. And so that that kind of ruse that his doorstep really was their Hail Mary pass, the last thing they could do. And yes, he got 15 years from it. But in speaking with everybody”

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