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“didn't have that kind of notoriety. I didn't have that…” — The Pragmatic Engineer at 30:46

“didn't have that kind of notoriety. I didn't have that corporate backing. So if I was going to make any kind of impact, I had to be a little bit outrageous. And so I picked that, you know, extreme sports were coming up then. I picked that metaphor. And it's actually a good metaphor because extreme athletes”

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