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“I think it's so obvious and people can tell then they just…” — The Pragmatic Engineer at 1:19:28

“I think it's so obvious and people can tell then they just get turned off. Like they're not gonna listen to a word you say at that point. And then so it doesn't really matter what you say. You have to like build their trust in a way that it's hard to build. It takes time to get there. But once”

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