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“Yeah, I think you just had Martin Klutman on. I'm a huge…” — The Pragmatic Engineer at 1:27:06

“Yeah, I think you just had Martin Klutman on. I'm a huge fan of him, huge fan of his book, because he goes deep. And even as deep as he goes, then you'll have 100 references at the end of every chapter. And I just love that because I'm the type of person. Like, I just always have a follow-up”

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