“And I think there's reasons to say it is unhelpful to…” — Pod Save America at 1:03:43
“And I think there's reasons to say it is unhelpful to debating whether or not we should abolish ICE when we would have to go on a world historic winning streak for several years before that to be even on the table. But if you think that debate is unhelpful, I think it's worth thinking about what is the quiet around…”
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