“he kind of ignores it. But, you know, that 2004 moment, I…” — Pod Save America at 1:31:01
“he kind of ignores it. But, you know, that 2004 moment, I think, definitely kind of fed this resentment that led him, in addition to being able to kind of sort of intuit where the conservative base was, it made it easier for him to kind of become a populist and, you know, stick the knife in these people who had once…”
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