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“cool. Like there's a lot of trade-offs in there and…” — The Vergecast at 16:52

“cool. Like there's a lot of trade-offs in there and everyone knows how I feel about social media and the creator economy and all that stuff. But like the idea that somewhere in there is empowerment is really important. Tremendously important. I have something to say and I'm going to open TikTok and this app and…”

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