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“Every other big technology trend has been bottoms up. It's…” — The Vergecast at 23:58

“Every other big technology trend has been bottoms up. It's been led by people who are like, this is exciting, as opposed to being top down in this way. And then the characters pushing the top down change, by and large, are not cuddle bugs. They're not making the case. They're saying this is happening. And if it…”

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