“They are not under your thrall in this way. And you can…” — The Vergecast at 28:37
“They are not under your thrall in this way. And you can see that they've lost it and they've decided that everyone listens to the media. And it's like, nope, they're listening to you. And they are making up their minds. They're listening to you and they're using your products and they are making up their minds. Casey…”
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