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“maybe even their own first parties, they didn't view game…” — Acquired at 1:27:23

“maybe even their own first parties, they didn't view game developers as artists. That's right. In fact, they knew that about Miyamoto-san. They had their own brilliant people that have, in fact, always made great first-party games. But the third parties were... They were happy to let some third parties tag along as…”

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