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“You know, there's also the other thing people figure out…” — The Vergecast at 30:55

“You know, there's also the other thing people figure out is you put a little spoon in the front of the shoe and it kind of increases your Achilles rebound. And the initial designs had the like spoon kind of straight on. And now it seems like maybe like spoon slightly angled. And so I think that was what Puma did with…”

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